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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.neohouston.com/2009/09/texas-high-speed-rail-the-trains/#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make a decision, put it to a vote and build it !   I favor Mag-Lev due to its frictionless, single component design that allow for higher speeds. The mini triangle layout is fine, but consider the eventuality that the I-10, I-20, I-35 and I-40 corridors will eventually transform us from IntraState to include Interstate travel. The far reaches of the state ie. San Antonio to El Paso; for example could take advantage of Wind and/or Solar Power Stations and give those industries a boost. Also, forget Atlanta - Create Texas companies in JV with the Germans - &quot;The Germans always make good stuff&quot; !  Maybe Seimans and General Dynamics. Give it a snappy logo and paint job - and mark it for duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make a decision, put it to a vote and build it !   I favor Mag-Lev due to its frictionless, single component design that allow for higher speeds. The mini triangle layout is fine, but consider the eventuality that the I-10, I-20, I-35 and I-40 corridors will eventually transform us from IntraState to include Interstate travel. The far reaches of the state ie. San Antonio to El Paso; for example could take advantage of Wind and/or Solar Power Stations and give those industries a boost. Also, forget Atlanta &#8211; Create Texas companies in JV with the Germans &#8211; &#8220;The Germans always make good stuff&#8221; !  Maybe Seimans and General Dynamics. Give it a snappy logo and paint job &#8211; and mark it for duty.</p>
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		<title>By: The Capital Corridor</title>
		<link>http://www.neohouston.com/2009/09/texas-high-speed-rail-the-trains/#comment-478</link>
		<dc:creator>The Capital Corridor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 20:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Capital Corridor    By Andrew Burleson &#124; neoHOUSTON 03 Nov 2009  Texas High-Speed RailIntroductionThe TrainsThe RoutesHouston &#8211; Part 1Houston &#8211; Part 2Houston &#8211; Part 3The Brazos CorridorThe [...] </description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Burleson</title>
		<link>http://www.neohouston.com/2009/09/texas-high-speed-rail-the-trains/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Burleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arne,

You&#039;re exactly right! Those are the kind of considerations that need to play in to any HSR conversation.

Most importantly, the elevated structure doesn&#039;t create nearly the kind of impact that at-grade systems do, so the ROW acquisition should be simpler and easier.

Now as to the Shanghai system, I think a lot of people here are studying that, but there are some drawbacks. Most significantly, the technology they employed is extremely expensive.

That&#039;s why I like the AMT system so much. They&#039;ve taken the same basic concept of elevated maglev and dramatically simplified it to make it much more cost-effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arne,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re exactly right! Those are the kind of considerations that need to play in to any HSR conversation.</p>
<p>Most importantly, the elevated structure doesn&#8217;t create nearly the kind of impact that at-grade systems do, so the ROW acquisition should be simpler and easier.</p>
<p>Now as to the Shanghai system, I think a lot of people here are studying that, but there are some drawbacks. Most significantly, the technology they employed is extremely expensive.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I like the AMT system so much. They&#8217;ve taken the same basic concept of elevated maglev and dramatically simplified it to make it much more cost-effective.</p>
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		<title>By: arne</title>
		<link>http://www.neohouston.com/2009/09/texas-high-speed-rail-the-trains/#comment-476</link>
		<dc:creator>arne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think conventional steel rail systems are only practical keeping within current rail speed restrictions and rail lines. To go with ground level high speed running 200 mph plus, the cost will quickly get out of control as you build a dedicated and secure high speed rail corridor. First you have to aquire the land and deal with all the legal costs and delays as people fight to get more money for their land.  Second, you have to reroute existing rail and highways so you remove grade crossings and finally, the whole line has to be made and kept secure to prevent access by people, vehicles and animals.  As great as a TGV type system would be, just getting to the point of laying mile one of track could take over a decade and run the project costs out of control.

The elevated maglev does seem to remove alot of issues since the base structures could be placed in highway medians or on rural land with minimal impact to the ground level use of the property below.  If you have 20 feet clearance underneath the main track sections,  a rancher or farmer can still use their land as they did pre-train.   Its no different than land owners getting paid for a billboard to be installed on their property, the impact to ground level use is minimal.  

Going further, using an elevated maglev, the main track sections can be &quot;factory&quot; built and trucked in for assembly on site just like TxDot does with key bridge components.   This has got to be more efficient than building the whole structure on site. 

I think what they did in Shanghi with Maglev should be seriously studied in Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think conventional steel rail systems are only practical keeping within current rail speed restrictions and rail lines. To go with ground level high speed running 200 mph plus, the cost will quickly get out of control as you build a dedicated and secure high speed rail corridor. First you have to aquire the land and deal with all the legal costs and delays as people fight to get more money for their land.  Second, you have to reroute existing rail and highways so you remove grade crossings and finally, the whole line has to be made and kept secure to prevent access by people, vehicles and animals.  As great as a TGV type system would be, just getting to the point of laying mile one of track could take over a decade and run the project costs out of control.</p>
<p>The elevated maglev does seem to remove alot of issues since the base structures could be placed in highway medians or on rural land with minimal impact to the ground level use of the property below.  If you have 20 feet clearance underneath the main track sections,  a rancher or farmer can still use their land as they did pre-train.   Its no different than land owners getting paid for a billboard to be installed on their property, the impact to ground level use is minimal.  </p>
<p>Going further, using an elevated maglev, the main track sections can be &#8220;factory&#8221; built and trucked in for assembly on site just like TxDot does with key bridge components.   This has got to be more efficient than building the whole structure on site. </p>
<p>I think what they did in Shanghi with Maglev should be seriously studied in Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rafael,

The cabin they&#039;ve worked on so far is designed for operation around 80-120MPH, they&#039;re expecting it&#039;s first practical use to be in urban mass transit situations where they wouldn&#039;t be enough long, straight track to get much past 100 mph.

As for whether the system is perfect, I guarantee you that it isn&#039;t. No system is.

What I can say, however, is that they &lt;em&gt;have built&lt;/em&gt; multiple sections of track, and the cost is as advertised. Can there be overruns or escalations as a project proceeds? Of course, but that&#039;s only going to be worse when the solution is government driven. A private-sector approach is going to result in much greater efficiency and cost control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafael,</p>
<p>The cabin they&#8217;ve worked on so far is designed for operation around 80-120MPH, they&#8217;re expecting it&#8217;s first practical use to be in urban mass transit situations where they wouldn&#8217;t be enough long, straight track to get much past 100 mph.</p>
<p>As for whether the system is perfect, I guarantee you that it isn&#8217;t. No system is.</p>
<p>What I can say, however, is that they <em>have built</em> multiple sections of track, and the cost is as advertised. Can there be overruns or escalations as a project proceeds? Of course, but that&#8217;s only going to be worse when the solution is government driven. A private-sector approach is going to result in much greater efficiency and cost control.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Andrew -

I&#039;d be very wary of AMT&#039;s claims, their web site is very long on marketing blurb and very short on technical details. The high center of gravity and poor aerodynamics make operation at speeds of 150mph - never mind 300 - wholly implausible.

Even for commuter rail speeds, the cost estimates are not credible. Like all maglev systems, this one must run exclusively on aerial structures and those are expensive.

Note that conventional steel wheels rail lines equipped with modern signaling can support fast trains carrying hundreds of people each every 2-3 minutes very safely.

http://www.etcs.eu/en/nbs.htm

Locally, you need flexibility. That&#039;s what trams, buses, jitneys, private cars, bicycles and walking are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Andrew -</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be very wary of AMT&#8217;s claims, their web site is very long on marketing blurb and very short on technical details. The high center of gravity and poor aerodynamics make operation at speeds of 150mph &#8211; never mind 300 &#8211; wholly implausible.</p>
<p>Even for commuter rail speeds, the cost estimates are not credible. Like all maglev systems, this one must run exclusively on aerial structures and those are expensive.</p>
<p>Note that conventional steel wheels rail lines equipped with modern signaling can support fast trains carrying hundreds of people each every 2-3 minutes very safely.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.etcs.eu/en/nbs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.etcs.eu/en/nbs.htm</a></p>
<p>Locally, you need flexibility. That&#8217;s what trams, buses, jitneys, private cars, bicycles and walking are for.</p>
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		<title>By: august</title>
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		<dc:creator>august</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart...New York City is a world class destination, yet it has a long, long history of graft, bribery, payoffs and &quot;special considerations&quot; for politicians of all stripes that far exceeds anything we&#039;ve been able to come up with in Texas.  Though politicians would have you think otherwise, except for capitols politics has only a supporting role in what makes a city a world class destination.

As for modern mass-transit in the rest of the world, the primary problem are the distances involved and the accompanying lack of density to make mass-transit cost effective.  The density issue may partially solve itself if the cost of gas resumes it&#039;s sharp upward trend of the past few years, but the distance issue won&#039;t go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart&#8230;New York City is a world class destination, yet it has a long, long history of graft, bribery, payoffs and &#8220;special considerations&#8221; for politicians of all stripes that far exceeds anything we&#8217;ve been able to come up with in Texas.  Though politicians would have you think otherwise, except for capitols politics has only a supporting role in what makes a city a world class destination.</p>
<p>As for modern mass-transit in the rest of the world, the primary problem are the distances involved and the accompanying lack of density to make mass-transit cost effective.  The density issue may partially solve itself if the cost of gas resumes it&#8217;s sharp upward trend of the past few years, but the distance issue won&#8217;t go away.</p>
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		<title>By: august</title>
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		<dc:creator>august</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure the design philosophy of conventional rail is so much out of date as perhaps the technology used.  Since the standardization of the US rail system on a 4&#039;9&quot; gauge in 1886, freight cars, passenger cars and locomotives have been standardized, modular and  mass produced.  The length of trains is now and in the past dictated by technical limitations (the physics of pulling thousands of tons of cars) and economic considerations (cost of fuel and maintenance).  Even for passenger trains, where staffing has always been higher, the length and timing of trains has been dictated by the market for service and the total cost of operation, not just the staffing cost.  

For purposes of this discussion the primary differential is the speed limitation of conventional rail and perhaps the energy efficiency of the prime mover (locomotive engine).  I wouldn&#039;t write off conventional diesel-electric locomotives as significantly less efficient than all electric without seeing more data.  Today&#039;s class I railroads are extremely cost sensitive and would switch to electric power if it made economic sense.

All that said, mag-lev technology is certainly interesting.  I&#039;d be curious, though, if AMT&#039;s target market is intercity freight and passenger transit or urban transit (passenger and/or freight).  Also, how do their cost/benefit estimates for building and operation hold up for intercity transit as opposed to urban transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure the design philosophy of conventional rail is so much out of date as perhaps the technology used.  Since the standardization of the US rail system on a 4&#8217;9&#8243; gauge in 1886, freight cars, passenger cars and locomotives have been standardized, modular and  mass produced.  The length of trains is now and in the past dictated by technical limitations (the physics of pulling thousands of tons of cars) and economic considerations (cost of fuel and maintenance).  Even for passenger trains, where staffing has always been higher, the length and timing of trains has been dictated by the market for service and the total cost of operation, not just the staffing cost.  </p>
<p>For purposes of this discussion the primary differential is the speed limitation of conventional rail and perhaps the energy efficiency of the prime mover (locomotive engine).  I wouldn&#8217;t write off conventional diesel-electric locomotives as significantly less efficient than all electric without seeing more data.  Today&#8217;s class I railroads are extremely cost sensitive and would switch to electric power if it made economic sense.</p>
<p>All that said, mag-lev technology is certainly interesting.  I&#8217;d be curious, though, if AMT&#8217;s target market is intercity freight and passenger transit or urban transit (passenger and/or freight).  Also, how do their cost/benefit estimates for building and operation hold up for intercity transit as opposed to urban transit.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t heard of AMT&#039;s technology before this post, but it appears a compelling case can be made for it. 

For one, here in Texas we don&#039;t have the consideration of compatibility with an existing system; we don&#039;t have electric railroads nor any room on the freight routes.

(Spain, as an example, can use its existing lines in conjunction with high speed lines so that off-network cities benefit from the new lines, too. Trains from Santander, for instance, go through a gauge-changer at Valladolid and run on the AVE line the rest of the way to Madrid. This type of operation, which partially explains Spain&#039;s choice to go with conventional technology, is not possible in Texas.)

It would be nice, though, to see this AMT technology work in real-world service, because as of yet no one has chosen dumb-track maglev. The ODU installation is now a research project of that school&#039;s engineering department.

I would like to see it work since it seems to solve a number of the shortcomings of maglev and conventional trains, as you note, but it currently remains unproven.

Keep it up with the series. It certainly provokes thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t heard of AMT&#8217;s technology before this post, but it appears a compelling case can be made for it. </p>
<p>For one, here in Texas we don&#8217;t have the consideration of compatibility with an existing system; we don&#8217;t have electric railroads nor any room on the freight routes.</p>
<p>(Spain, as an example, can use its existing lines in conjunction with high speed lines so that off-network cities benefit from the new lines, too. Trains from Santander, for instance, go through a gauge-changer at Valladolid and run on the AVE line the rest of the way to Madrid. This type of operation, which partially explains Spain&#8217;s choice to go with conventional technology, is not possible in Texas.)</p>
<p>It would be nice, though, to see this AMT technology work in real-world service, because as of yet no one has chosen dumb-track maglev. The ODU installation is now a research project of that school&#8217;s engineering department.</p>
<p>I would like to see it work since it seems to solve a number of the shortcomings of maglev and conventional trains, as you note, but it currently remains unproven.</p>
<p>Keep it up with the series. It certainly provokes thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The maglev is the way to go. Why build high speed  trains in the USA if they are not the best in the world? The work in Atlanta sounds great! Atlanta has always been a progressive city compared to Houston. We in the US need to accept what the rest of the world understands about modern mass transit and bring Texas dragging and screaming into the 21st century. Of course, nothing will move forward until the neo-cons and other greedy politicians get their payoffs, bribes, and &quot;special&quot; considerations for their time. That is what held Texas back from being a world class destination. We&#039;re still under the thumb of robber barons!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The maglev is the way to go. Why build high speed  trains in the USA if they are not the best in the world? The work in Atlanta sounds great! Atlanta has always been a progressive city compared to Houston. We in the US need to accept what the rest of the world understands about modern mass transit and bring Texas dragging and screaming into the 21st century. Of course, nothing will move forward until the neo-cons and other greedy politicians get their payoffs, bribes, and &#8220;special&#8221; considerations for their time. That is what held Texas back from being a world class destination. We&#8217;re still under the thumb of robber barons!</p>
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