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		<title>By: Keep Houston Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.neohouston.com/2009/08/solving-the-ashby-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator>Keep Houston Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the flipside would be that the developers decide a 20-story tower doesn&#039;t pencil out with the cost of street improvements, but a 45-story tower does - and so they build something twice as tall.

Impossible in the current real estate market, but in the future? Think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the flipside would be that the developers decide a 20-story tower doesn&#8217;t pencil out with the cost of street improvements, but a 45-story tower does &#8211; and so they build something twice as tall.</p>
<p>Impossible in the current real estate market, but in the future? Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.neohouston.com/2009/08/solving-the-ashby-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KHH:

I&#039;m not saying it would piss off Southhampton any less (it would probably piss them off more). Plus, I don&#039;t think the traffic impact was really going to be that severe - it was just the leverage the city was able to invent.

But, if traffic was the issue, and if we did have a requirement that said you couldn&#039;t build over X stories on a street of less than Y lanes, I think that would have killed Ashby. The cost of widening Bissonnet from Montrose to  Shepherd / Greenbriar (the closest major thoroughfares on either side) would have made the project unfeasible.

However, if at the end of the day they decided that they were willing to pay the cost to widen the streets to and from their project in order to accommodate the level of development they were proposing, then I would say they should be allowed to do it.

What that would say to me is that the value of the land has gotten dramatically past the uses that are currently occupying it, and if the market is willing to go to such an extreme effort to &#039;unlock&#039; the value there, then it probably should be allowed to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KHH:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it would piss off Southhampton any less (it would probably piss them off more). Plus, I don&#8217;t think the traffic impact was really going to be that severe &#8211; it was just the leverage the city was able to invent.</p>
<p>But, if traffic was the issue, and if we did have a requirement that said you couldn&#8217;t build over X stories on a street of less than Y lanes, I think that would have killed Ashby. The cost of widening Bissonnet from Montrose to  Shepherd / Greenbriar (the closest major thoroughfares on either side) would have made the project unfeasible.</p>
<p>However, if at the end of the day they decided that they were willing to pay the cost to widen the streets to and from their project in order to accommodate the level of development they were proposing, then I would say they should be allowed to do it.</p>
<p>What that would say to me is that the value of the land has gotten dramatically past the uses that are currently occupying it, and if the market is willing to go to such an extreme effort to &#8216;unlock&#8217; the value there, then it probably should be allowed to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.neohouston.com/2009/08/solving-the-ashby-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1357</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A well written article in which you have obviously put in a lot of thought and ideas of many...However;

&quot;This would be reflective of the practice we already have in allowing Management Districts (like the Texas Medical Center) to voluntarily self-regulate.&quot;

This is the scary part! TMC will in NO WAY &quot;self-regulate&quot; and is destroying surrounding neighborhoods as I type.  City ordinances must be written to protect homeowners from the self-interests of multi-billion dollar corporations.  What did we learn from the Lehman Brother, Countrywide Financial, AIG like domination of markets?
 TMC is a private non-profit given the power of eminent domain by the Texas Legislature long before most readers of this website were born.  Perhaps eminent domain powers were appropriate in the late fifties.  Consider what did the area look like then as compared to the present?  TMC abuses its power of eminent domain through &quot;blockbusting&quot; property values and overriding deed restrictions, a homeowners strongest protection(as in the Central City neighborhood). TMC&#039;s meeting are private!  In any other eminent domain discussion, there would be a series of meetings affecting all stakeholders. TMC&#039;s Board of Directors all have one address...the main TMC office.  No contrary thought of TMC&#039;s directors could ever reach the board members.
  TMC speaks with a PUBLIC face and a PRIVATE face.  John Kajander, TMC vice-president, states publicly in their web video, &quot;Unprecedented Construction Growth in the Texas Medical Center&quot; how TMC &quot;doesn&#039;t want to negatively impact neighborhood in which they surround&quot;, &quot;how they communicate with neighborhoods about ingress-egress solutions&quot;. LIES, LIES, and DAMN LIES.  The truth about protecting neighborhoods is accurately and poignantly expressed by TMC Vice-President Robert Stott, when requested  by Devonshire Place residents to deflect over 1200 vehicles daily from a local street, &quot;It would not be in our best self-interests.&quot;

Houston neighborhoods need protection now.  Transition areas must integrate residential and commercial development.  Tall buildings next to residential homes simply do not sustain long term growth and certainly not SMART URBAN GROWTH.  
While original zoning ideas were to keep &quot;smokestacks&quot; away from families, todays smokestacks come in the form of light pollution, noise pollution, and unbridled traffic on local residential streets.  Some of the very medical institutions that form TMC produce research about the unhealthy aspects of light, noise, and traffic pollution.  Unfortunately, the growth driven by excessive profits over smart urban development and co-existence with surrounding neighborhoods may be too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well written article in which you have obviously put in a lot of thought and ideas of many&#8230;However;</p>
<p>&#8220;This would be reflective of the practice we already have in allowing Management Districts (like the Texas Medical Center) to voluntarily self-regulate.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the scary part! TMC will in NO WAY &#8220;self-regulate&#8221; and is destroying surrounding neighborhoods as I type.  City ordinances must be written to protect homeowners from the self-interests of multi-billion dollar corporations.  What did we learn from the Lehman Brother, Countrywide Financial, AIG like domination of markets?<br />
 TMC is a private non-profit given the power of eminent domain by the Texas Legislature long before most readers of this website were born.  Perhaps eminent domain powers were appropriate in the late fifties.  Consider what did the area look like then as compared to the present?  TMC abuses its power of eminent domain through &#8220;blockbusting&#8221; property values and overriding deed restrictions, a homeowners strongest protection(as in the Central City neighborhood). TMC&#8217;s meeting are private!  In any other eminent domain discussion, there would be a series of meetings affecting all stakeholders. TMC&#8217;s Board of Directors all have one address&#8230;the main TMC office.  No contrary thought of TMC&#8217;s directors could ever reach the board members.<br />
  TMC speaks with a PUBLIC face and a PRIVATE face.  John Kajander, TMC vice-president, states publicly in their web video, &#8220;Unprecedented Construction Growth in the Texas Medical Center&#8221; how TMC &#8220;doesn&#8217;t want to negatively impact neighborhood in which they surround&#8221;, &#8220;how they communicate with neighborhoods about ingress-egress solutions&#8221;. LIES, LIES, and DAMN LIES.  The truth about protecting neighborhoods is accurately and poignantly expressed by TMC Vice-President Robert Stott, when requested  by Devonshire Place residents to deflect over 1200 vehicles daily from a local street, &#8220;It would not be in our best self-interests.&#8221;</p>
<p>Houston neighborhoods need protection now.  Transition areas must integrate residential and commercial development.  Tall buildings next to residential homes simply do not sustain long term growth and certainly not SMART URBAN GROWTH.<br />
While original zoning ideas were to keep &#8220;smokestacks&#8221; away from families, todays smokestacks come in the form of light pollution, noise pollution, and unbridled traffic on local residential streets.  Some of the very medical institutions that form TMC produce research about the unhealthy aspects of light, noise, and traffic pollution.  Unfortunately, the growth driven by excessive profits over smart urban development and co-existence with surrounding neighborhoods may be too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Keep Houston Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.neohouston.com/2009/08/solving-the-ashby-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Keep Houston Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting concept.

Do you think the Southampton kids would have thrown less of a fit if the Ashby high-rise developers had paid to widen Bissonnet to four lanes? I mean, there&#039;s enough room in the existing ROW if you just take out all the street trees and narrow the sidewalks a bit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting concept.</p>
<p>Do you think the Southampton kids would have thrown less of a fit if the Ashby high-rise developers had paid to widen Bissonnet to four lanes? I mean, there&#8217;s enough room in the existing ROW if you just take out all the street trees and narrow the sidewalks a bit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KHH,

It is a kind of zoning map if you do it by fiat.

The opportunity to do something better is to create an urban network plan where the transect level of a property is automatically and non-negotiably determined by its infrastructure.

Therefore, if you&#039;ve got the appropriate infrastructure, you&#039;re automatically allowed to build much bigger stuff - or, if you build the infrastructure, then you&#039;re allowed to build bigger stuff.

The challenge with that approach is it hasn&#039;t been done anywhere, so there&#039;s no model or case study to point to and be sure that it works as it should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KHH,</p>
<p>It is a kind of zoning map if you do it by fiat.</p>
<p>The opportunity to do something better is to create an urban network plan where the transect level of a property is automatically and non-negotiably determined by its infrastructure.</p>
<p>Therefore, if you&#8217;ve got the appropriate infrastructure, you&#8217;re automatically allowed to build much bigger stuff &#8211; or, if you build the infrastructure, then you&#8217;re allowed to build bigger stuff.</p>
<p>The challenge with that approach is it hasn&#8217;t been done anywhere, so there&#8217;s no model or case study to point to and be sure that it works as it should.</p>
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		<title>By: Keep Houston Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keep Houston Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, &lt;a href=&quot;http://keephoustonhouston.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/a-few-problems-with-smart-codes/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you can&#039;t tell that&#039;s not a zoning map.&lt;/a&gt; That&#039;s a zoning map, period. Maybe it&#039;s a &quot;smart code&quot; zoning map but it&#039;s still a zoning map, and a zoning map is a zoning map.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, <a href="http://keephoustonhouston.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/a-few-problems-with-smart-codes/" rel="nofollow">you can&#8217;t tell that&#8217;s not a zoning map.</a> That&#8217;s a zoning map, period. Maybe it&#8217;s a &#8220;smart code&#8221; zoning map but it&#8217;s still a zoning map, and a zoning map is a zoning map.</p>
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		<title>By: A few problems with &#8220;smart&#8221; codes. &#171; Keep Houston Houston.</title>
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		<dc:creator>A few problems with &#8220;smart&#8221; codes. &#171; Keep Houston Houston.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 10:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 18, 2009 &#183; Leave a Comment  Andrew over at neoHouston has an excellent post summarizing many of the pros and cons of the current regulatory environment. But there&#8217;s more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 18, 2009 &middot; Leave a Comment  Andrew over at neoHouston has an excellent post summarizing many of the pros and cons of the current regulatory environment. But there&#8217;s more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Plannerandproud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plannerandproud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waz, I agree with you, and commend everyone for this intelligent analysis of our best options.  Please bear in mind that the developers of the Ashby High Rise had every welcoming option to discuss their plans with the neighborhoods abutting the site, but chose not to, despite repeated attempts by neighborhood leadership to get them to the table.  Perplexing, ideed, when both developers spent years LIVING in the neighborhoods.  The predictability of the situation was clear to every intelligent developer in the city; the Buckhead partners chose not to recognize it.  Sometimes legislation is needed to keep people from shooting themselves in the foot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waz, I agree with you, and commend everyone for this intelligent analysis of our best options.  Please bear in mind that the developers of the Ashby High Rise had every welcoming option to discuss their plans with the neighborhoods abutting the site, but chose not to, despite repeated attempts by neighborhood leadership to get them to the table.  Perplexing, ideed, when both developers spent years LIVING in the neighborhoods.  The predictability of the situation was clear to every intelligent developer in the city; the Buckhead partners chose not to recognize it.  Sometimes legislation is needed to keep people from shooting themselves in the foot.</p>
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		<title>By: Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good, provocative stuff, Andrew.  My thoughts are up: http://houstonstrategies.blogspot.com/2009/08/is-smartcode-answer-to-ashby.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good, provocative stuff, Andrew.  My thoughts are up: <a href="http://houstonstrategies.blogspot.com/2009/08/is-smartcode-answer-to-ashby.html" rel="nofollow">http://houstonstrategies.blogspot.com/2009/08/is-smartcode-answer-to-ashby.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Crossley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Crossley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very well done, Andrew. I agree entirely with your concepts, although, as you say, the map may or may not be entirely right. I really think this is the solution to the City&#039;s growth friction. 

I&#039;ve written about this in Cite and other places. You might want to have a look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.houstontomorrow.org/commentary/story/The-solution-to-Houstons-development-problems/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this page&lt;/a&gt;.

Let&#039;s keep this discussion going. It&#039;s really important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very well done, Andrew. I agree entirely with your concepts, although, as you say, the map may or may not be entirely right. I really think this is the solution to the City&#8217;s growth friction. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written about this in Cite and other places. You might want to have a look at <a href="http://www.houstontomorrow.org/commentary/story/The-solution-to-Houstons-development-problems/" rel="nofollow"> this page</a>.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep this discussion going. It&#8217;s really important.</p>
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